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Cuban irate with officials in Mavs' overtime loss
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s_knight8
2003-11-16 19:00:15 UTC
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"We didn't think it was going to be an easy game coming in, and it
wasn't," Mavs coach Don Nelson said. "We knew it was going to be very
physical. It was a very emotional game. We battled our best, but we
just didn't have enough in the end."

"They made shots in overtime and we didn't," Nelson said. "We
struggled. We turned the ball over too much. We thought there should
have been fouls called, but they ended up being turnovers."

Mavs owner Mark Cuban was the most vocal critic. He pointed to at
least six instances of calls he felt were blown, including Dirk
Nowitzki's sixth foul and a critical out-of-bounds play that went to
the Grizzlies in overtime.

"I don't care if I get fined," a frustrated Cuban said in the locker
room after the loss. "Referees are having far too much impact on the
game."

Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.

"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"

Nash said simply: "It was laughable."

"We lost the game in the last few minutes of regulation," Nash said.
"We certainly didn't get any help along the way, but we had our
chances."
TenKMan
2003-11-17 00:07:15 UTC
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Post by s_knight8
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.

What a joke.
Post by s_knight8
Nash said simply: "It was laughable."
"We lost the game in the last few minutes of regulation," Nash said.
"We certainly didn't get any help along the way, but we had our
chances."
Chris Smith
2003-11-17 01:00:08 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners?
Yep. And it resides in Sacto. Just imagine if Vlade was traded to Dallas.
That would be scary.
Templeton Peck
2003-11-17 11:32:33 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.

-TemPeck
TenKMan
2003-11-17 14:59:12 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
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-TemPeck
Marcus Kwan
2003-11-17 16:22:10 UTC
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Post by TenKMan
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Post by TenKMan
Post by s_knight8
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean,
has
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
Portland has quieted down, but two or three years ago, they whined
with the best of them and highlighted the victim 'why are the refs
picking on me' mentality. Particularily Wallace and Stoudamire.
Post by TenKMan
Post by Templeton Peck
-TemPeck
cb
2003-11-17 18:35:29 UTC
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Agreed! LA takes the cake in terms of whining. Phil Jackson supposedly
teaches and encourages his players to work the refs on each and every call.
That's part of their overall plan and strategy in winning a game. Also,
Jackson himself is a master in working the refs.
Post by TenKMan
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Post by s_knight8
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/7276377.htm
Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean,
has
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
Post by Templeton Peck
-TemPeck
brink
2003-11-18 00:27:44 UTC
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Post by cb
Agreed! LA takes the cake in terms of whining. Phil Jackson supposedly
teaches and encourages his players to work the refs on each and every call.
That's part of their overall plan and strategy in winning a game. Also,
Jackson himself is a master in working the refs.
payton constantly complains on calls, malone is pretty vocal too. kobe was
the team leader in this dept until the new guys came along. really, the
rest of the team is pretty quiet in this regard, with occasional outbursts
from george and fisher.

jackson is one of the more sedate coaches in the league, he hardly stands up
let alone audibly complains to the refs. if he's "whining" then it's hard
to imagine what you'd call what the really vocal coaches (nelson, adelman,
popovich, etc).
Post by cb
Post by TenKMan
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Post by s_knight8
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/7276377.htm
Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean,
has
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
Post by Templeton Peck
-TemPeck
Marcus Kwan
2003-11-18 02:29:07 UTC
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Post by brink
Post by cb
Agreed! LA takes the cake in terms of whining. Phil Jackson supposedly
teaches and encourages his players to work the refs on each and every
call.
Post by cb
That's part of their overall plan and strategy in winning a game. Also,
Jackson himself is a master in working the refs.
payton constantly complains on calls, malone is pretty vocal too. kobe was
the team leader in this dept until the new guys came along. really, the
rest of the team is pretty quiet in this regard, with occasional outbursts
from george and fisher.
jackson is one of the more sedate coaches in the league, he hardly stands up
let alone audibly complains to the refs. if he's "whining" then it's hard
to imagine what you'd call what the really vocal coaches (nelson, adelman,
popovich, etc).
Phil complains far more to the media and after games than most other
coaches. Call it gamesmanship if you would like, it is still
complaining. Pop and Nellie work the refs hard during the game, but
are not as apt to criticize them after the game.
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Post by cb
Post by TenKMan
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Post by s_knight8
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/7276377.htm
Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean,
has
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
Post by Templeton Peck
-TemPeck
brink
2003-11-18 03:54:45 UTC
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Post by Marcus Kwan
Post by brink
Post by cb
Agreed! LA takes the cake in terms of whining. Phil Jackson supposedly
teaches and encourages his players to work the refs on each and every
call.
Post by cb
That's part of their overall plan and strategy in winning a game. Also,
Jackson himself is a master in working the refs.
payton constantly complains on calls, malone is pretty vocal too. kobe was
the team leader in this dept until the new guys came along. really, the
rest of the team is pretty quiet in this regard, with occasional outbursts
from george and fisher.
jackson is one of the more sedate coaches in the league, he hardly stands up
let alone audibly complains to the refs. if he's "whining" then it's hard
to imagine what you'd call what the really vocal coaches (nelson, adelman,
popovich, etc).
Phil complains far more to the media and after games than most other
coaches. Call it gamesmanship if you would like, it is still
complaining. Pop and Nellie work the refs hard during the game, but
are not as apt to criticize them after the game.
yep. phil probably doesn't want to look "bad" during the game by waving his
arms around and yelling at the refs. his style is much more "press
conference" where he gets to present his view without much challenge.
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean,
has
Post by Templeton Peck
Post by TenKMan
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Sacramento and Portland come to mind.
Sacramento yes, they are in the same league. Porty, no way, they don't
even whine as much as LA.
Post by Templeton Peck
-TemPeck
Lee Watkins
2003-11-18 15:57:21 UTC
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"brink" <***@about.it> wrote in message news:bpbp5k$1n2u3d$***@ID-177982.news.uni-berlin.de...

on the court, yes. he does his whining thru the media...

lee
Post by brink
jackson is one of the more sedate coaches in the league, he hardly stands up
let alone audibly complains to the refs. if he's "whining" then it's hard
to imagine what you'd call what the really vocal coaches (nelson, adelman,
popovich, etc).
Marcus Kwan
2003-11-17 16:19:30 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Right now it is just Cuban, hasn't infected the players or Coach much.
Oh, they whine, but not any more than most coaches or players.

Dallas is at a crossroad-they can easily become like Portland and
Sacto, immensely talented, yet a losing, victim mentality. Cuban
really should just shut up, or complain about reffing across the
board, even when it hurts his team.
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Post by s_knight8
Nash said simply: "It was laughable."
"We lost the game in the last few minutes of regulation," Nash said.
"We certainly didn't get any help along the way, but we had our
chances."
brink
2003-11-18 00:24:08 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Right now it is just Cuban, hasn't infected the players or Coach much.
marcus, please allow me to introduce you to the mavs' coach. his name is
don nelson.
Post by Marcus Kwan
Oh, they whine, but not any more than most coaches or players.
this is true, the players stick to playing for the most part.
Post by Marcus Kwan
Dallas is at a crossroad-they can easily become like Portland and
Sacto, immensely talented, yet a losing, victim mentality. Cuban
really should just shut up, or complain about reffing across the
board, even when it hurts his team.
exactly. sadly, i think he really believes his own "the whole league is
against us" BS--i don't think it's just gamesmanship to put pressure on the
refs to go easy on his team.
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Nash said simply: "It was laughable."
"We lost the game in the last few minutes of regulation," Nash said.
"We certainly didn't get any help along the way, but we had our
chances."
Marcus Kwan
2003-11-18 02:27:48 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Right now it is just Cuban, hasn't infected the players or Coach much.
marcus, please allow me to introduce you to the mavs' coach. his name is
don nelson.
Do you honestly think Nellie whines more than Phil Jackson???? Nellie
voices complaints during a game, as he is supposed to do, but he does
not whine after the game any more than any other coach, and less than
quite a few
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Post by Marcus Kwan
Oh, they whine, but not any more than most coaches or players.
this is true, the players stick to playing for the most part.
Post by Marcus Kwan
Dallas is at a crossroad-they can easily become like Portland and
Sacto, immensely talented, yet a losing, victim mentality. Cuban
really should just shut up, or complain about reffing across the
board, even when it hurts his team.
exactly. sadly, i think he really believes his own "the whole league is
against us" BS--i don't think it's just gamesmanship to put pressure on the
refs to go easy on his team.
Who knows-the thing is to not give your players a way out. Let them
think that losing is acceptable because the refs were against them-see
Portland and Sacto.
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Nash said simply: "It was laughable."
"We lost the game in the last few minutes of regulation," Nash said.
"We certainly didn't get any help along the way, but we had our
chances."
TenKMan
2003-11-18 02:47:46 UTC
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Post by brink
Post by Marcus Kwan
Right now it is just Cuban, hasn't infected the players or Coach much.
marcus, please allow me to introduce you to the mavs' coach. his name is
don nelson.
Do you honestly think Nellie whines more than Phil Jackson???? Nellie
voices complaints during a game, as he is supposed to do, but he does
not whine after the game any more than any other coach, and less than
quite a few
Nellie whines a 1000 times more than PJ after a game. You should hear
him every time they play Karl Malone. Sheesh, old man Nellie tried to
take Karl on one game.
Gary Collard
2003-11-18 17:41:27 UTC
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Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Is there any franchise that is so associated with whiners? I mean, has
Cuban ever criticized officials that helped his team win.
What a joke.
Right now it is just Cuban, hasn't infected the players or Coach much.
marcus, please allow me to introduce you to the mavs' coach. his name is
don nelson.
Post by Marcus Kwan
Oh, they whine, but not any more than most coaches or players.
this is true, the players stick to playing for the most part.
You missed Steve Nash's postgame performance after the Memphis game, huh?
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2003-11-17 03:52:44 UTC
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"We didn't think it was going to be an easy game coming in, and it
wasn't," Mavs coach Don Nelson said. "We knew it was going to be very
physical. It was a very emotional game. We battled our best, but we
just didn't have enough in the end."
"They made shots in overtime and we didn't," Nelson said. "We
struggled. We turned the ball over too much. We thought there should
have been fouls called, but they ended up being turnovers."
Mavs owner Mark Cuban was the most vocal critic. He pointed to at
least six instances of calls he felt were blown, including Dirk
Nowitzki's sixth foul and a critical out-of-bounds play that went to
the Grizzlies in overtime.
"I don't care if I get fined," a frustrated Cuban said in the locker
room after the loss. "Referees are having far too much impact on the
game."
Cuban spoke to the league office about officiating after the Mavs'
victory at San Antonio. Another call is surely coming.
"It was crazy. Absolutely crazy," he said. "How can they have that
much impact?"
Trading Van Exel was crazy.

Rick Hohensee
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